ΠΕΡΙΟΔΙΚΟ ΜΕ ΨΥΧΗ, BLOG ΧΩΡΙΣ ΣΩΨΥΧΑ. ΟΣΑ ΑΦΟΡΟΥΝ ΤΟ ΜΟΝΑΔΙΚΟ ΑΝΕΞΑΡΤΗΤΟ ΠΕΡΙΟΔΙΚΟ ΤΗΣ ΠΟΛΗΣ. ΕΔΩ ΣΤΕΛΝΕΙΣ ΓΝΩΜΕΣ/ΙΣΤΟΡΙΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΑΦΟΡΟΥΝ ΤΟ SOUL. INTERACTION ΔΕΝ ΗΘΕΛΕΣ;

Monday, July 24, 2006

Kate Most!

178 Comments:

Blogger nikos said...

half a soul missing.

they say what u give is what you take. well they're wrong! i gave you my trust, my full attention, my 3euros per month and instead of a fare "give and take", i get half a SOUL! my issue misses page 50 to 66! my heart is broken! take half of it and exchange it with half of the issue missing! I'M NOT ASKING FOR MUCH- JUST HALF OF YOUR SOUL!
anyway i hope my next copy to replace the my missing SOUL that has tramatized my soul for ever.!

kind regards
nikos
voulos@hotmail.com

ps. honestly my copy of your recent issue misses pages 50 to 66. i guess it a minnor production mistake but i just wanted to inform you about it.keep up with the good work!

2:38 PM

 
Blogger Stergios said...

FILOI THESSALONIKEIS, MI MASATE! Den eimaste apoikia kanenos kai den ptooumaste apo ta mizera hrwmata me ta opoia theloun na mas zwgrafisoun oi synergates tou "SOUL".

Ena periodiko pou "kykloforei kathe mina apo tin Athens Plus" kai pou ehei ekdoti ton Mr. Athens Voice DEN ekfrazei ti Thessaloniki.

Ena periodiko sto opoio i pio syhni lexi einai "Athina" DEN skiagrafei ti zwi tis Thessalonikis.

To teleftaio tefhos einai GEMATO apo arthra apo ton enan i ton allo kallitehni pou fevgei apo ti Thessaloniki gia na paei stin Athina, les kai i Athina einai i Gi tis Epangelias, enw i Thessaloniki enas valtos apo ton opoio oloi fevgoun min tyhon pathoun elonosia.

To "SOUL" den milaei katholou gia tous anthrwpous pou zoun kai dimiourgoun edw, oute gia tous Athinaious pou afisan tin Athina gia na erthoun edw, oute gia tous xenous pou afisan tis hwres tous kai dialexan ti Thessaloniki gia defteri patrida.

TO "SOUL" STELNEI TO MINYMA SE OLOUS TOUS ANISYHOUS NEOUS THESSALONIKEIS OTI MELLON YPARHEI MONO STIN ATHINA, pragma pou apotelei hydaia propaganda mias polis hwris psyhi pou zei hari stin energeia pou apomyza san vampir apo tin ypoloipi Ellada.

Oi synergates tou "SOUL" den goustaroun Papagewrgopoulo kai Pswmiadi, pou einai dikaiwma tous, alla kaneis apo tous dyo den kathorizei ti Thessaloniki perissotero apo o,ti kathorize tin Athina o syntrivanakias o Avramopoulos.

To "SOUL" milaei gia ta gegonota me ton Tsenai pou eginan sti Mihaniwna, ohi sti Thessaloniki, les kai kati pou ginetai sta Megara einai haraktiristiko tou ti paizei stin Athina.

Milate gia ratsismous kai apokleismous, eseis oi Athinaioi, pou ehete dimiourgisei fyletika kai koinwnika getto pou emas tous Thessalonikeis mas tromazoun.

Loipon, agapitoi Athinaioi:

Otan tolmisoun ta paidia apo to Peristeri na pane gia clubbing ekei opou pane ta paidia apo to Neo Psyhiko, TOTE na mas milisete gia ratsismous.

Otan stamatisete na sfazete Alvanous kathe fora pou i Ethniki Alvanias nika tin Ethniki Elladas, TOTE na mas milisete gia xenofovies.

I Thessaloniki ehei 4 monades OKANA, enw i Athina, me exi fores perissotero plithysmo ehei molis 6. Otan i Athina apoktisei tis 24 monades OKANA pou tis analogoun plithysmiaka, TOTE na mas milisete gia apokleismous.

Otan o Karatzaferis vgalei kai sti Thessaloniki 14%, pou einai oso eihe vgalei stis nomarhiakes tou 2000 stin Attiki, TOTE na mas milisete gia akrodexia.

Otan mazepsete ta Vissovanda apo tin paraliaki sas, TOTE na mas milisete gia skyladiki Thessaloniki.

Ligo psalidise o Tatoulis tis epidotiseis twn theatrikwn shimatwn tis Athinas kai ta 150 theatra eginan 80 en mia nykti. Otan oi kratikes epidotiseis gia ton politismo erthoun se analoga epipeda sti Thessaloniki, TOTE na mas milisete gia politistiki krisi.

Irthe gia dyo meres o Mr. Sardam tis ellinikis tileorasis, o Prokopis Doukas, sti Thessaloniki, kai egrapse olokliro dokimio gia to yfos tis polis anaparagontas aplws ta klise... ki eseis sto "SOUL" tou dwsate vima... GIATI? Poios o logos, kai poios einai o Doukas pou to paizei kinsoras tou ti einai proodeftiko kai ti syntiritiko?

Kai afou diavasame ena olokliro tefhos gemato kritiki gia to poso halia einai i Thessaloniki, na'sou kai to KARAKITSATO arthro pou exiswnei ton Karvela, ton kitsanta tou tholou elafropop hylou pou haraktirizei tin athinaiki mousiki skini, me ton Bob Dylan.
WRAIA AISTHITIKI, Mr. Athens Voice, na haireste ton souxediari trovadouro sas!

To "SOUL" einai o Doureios Ippos tou kenou kai demek athinaikou lifestyle sti Thessaloniki.

I Athina poulaei mouri se oli tin Ellada giati den tin pairnei na syngrithei me alles poleis tis katigorias tis. Pw's o PAO kai o Olympiakos pairnoun syneheia ta stimena prwtathlimata entos Ellados, alla otan vgoun stin Evrwpi spane ta moutra tous me tin prwti? Etsi kapws.

FILOI THESSALONIKEIS, an i Athina kai ta plokamia tis (vlepe "SOUL")mas vomvardizoun me arnitika klise, afto to kanoun epeidi kata vathos mas fovountai.

I Thessaloniki ontws pernaei polyplevri krisi, alla ehei PSYHI (kai ohi "SOUL"), kati pou i Athina den prokeitai na apoktisei pote'!
I Thessaloniki ehei kai psyhi kai dynamiko kai dynamismo kai to mellon brosta tis!
Min xehnate oti i Thessaloniki krata mia statheri poiotita zwis para tin apelpistiki oikonomiki katastasi stin opoia vrisketai katopin apofasewn twn athinaikwn kyvernisewn, enw i Athina hreiastike na xekokkalisei 12 dis evrw mesa se 7 hronia gia na boresei na ksefygei apo tin aisthitiki Stathi Psalti pou tin katetryhe kai na mas poulaei mouri twra.

Gia na doume pou' tha einai i Athina se alla 7 hronia twra pou ekleisan oi krounoi tis Olympiadas?

As boikotaroume to "SOUL" pros ofelos allwn entypwn pou agapoun ti Thessaloniki kai pou an stekontai kritika apenanti tis to kanoun me agapi.

As boikotaroume to "SOUL" pros ofelos entypwn pou proagoun ton ygii dialogo gia mia Thessaloniki pou tha antapokrinetai ston potho kai sta oneira twn Thessalonikiwn, kai ohi tou Mr. Athens Voice kai twn syn aftw.

FILOI THESSALONIKEIS, AS AFISOUME TON DOUREIO IPPO TOU DEMEK ATHINAIKOU LIFESTYLE EKTOS TWN PYLWN TIS POLIS MAS!

9:18 AM

 
Blogger Gap Lab said...

Sebasto mou SOUL,

Den mporw na katalabw thn empa8eia tou kuriou Stergiou, mporw omws na ereunhsw apo pou proerxetai. Kai me xioumor 8a ton apokalousa (gew)grafiko xouligan! Agaphte mou Stergio, katalabainw ton ekneurismo sou - allwste zeis se mia polh pou anti na proxwraei mprosta, piswgurizei olotaxws kai synexws xarh stous anakyklwsimoys psoro-arxontes ths. O flogeros sou omws monologos to mono pou kanei einai na rixnei ladi sth fwtia kai na diaiwnizei to 3eftismeno pia moto tou "gia ola ftaiei h kakia, apsuxh a8hna". Den 3erw ti akribws prospa8eis na propagandiseis, oute poios einai o apwteros skopos ths pseudoepanastashs pou khrysseis,,, mpoikotarontas omws ena periodiko san to SOUL den 8a ferei kamia allagh. Ase poy einai kai oligon fasistiko auto pou proteineis. Skopos mas 8a eprepe na einai h epikoinwnia meta3u twn duo polewn, kai oxi oi ntemek "anametrhseis"!

Sou euxomai pantws kalh dunamh ston agwna sou, kai euxomai olopsuxa na petuxeis epitelous to skopo sou: "mia ane3arthth thessaloniki, apokommenh apo oles tis e3eli3eis, kleismenh sto kabouki ths, kuklo8umikh, orgismenh apo thn adikia pou thn pnigei - tuflh de ws pros tis pragmatikes aities ths apobaltwshs poy periegrapses...". 8a breis polloys tews kai nun dhmarxous sto pleyro sou. Ante me th nikh!

o apodhmos salonikios

Sou euxomai kalh pro

2:01 PM

 
Blogger stergios said...

Agapite gap lab,

I apantisi sou itan entlws anousia, diladi akrivws o,ti perimena apo enan lifestyle-atzi san ki esena.

Den apantises sta simeia pou ethixa sto simeiwma mou kai aplws arkestikes na anamasiseis ta gnwsta klise peri "piswgyrismatos" kai "dimarhwn".

Sou synistw na diavaseis tin "Agnoia" tou Kundera gia na diapistwseis oti oi poleis prohwroun kai anaptyssontai hwris na perimenoun tin epistrofi twn "apodimwn" san alles Pinelopes.

Afti i alitheia, se syndyasmo me ton travmatismeno sou narkissismo kai tis enohes pou niwtheis gia ti metakomisi sou stin Athina (epitrepse mou na sou pw... eisai PARA poly prwtotypos!) se gemizoun oxos kai holi gia ti genethlia poli.

Oso gia to boikotarisma pou proteinw, afto den einai KATHOLOU fasistiko, alla dimokratikotato dikaiwma twn katanalwtwn kai skeptomenwn politwn. Boikotarisma den simainei oute katastrofi tou soul oute tipota, aplws simainei oti stamatame na to agorazoume. Poly apla.

O logos einai oti to soul einai ena periodiko sto opoio grafoun Athinaioi kai "demek" Athinaioi opws ki esy, pou den katanooun 'i pou misoun ti Thessaloniki (gia tous logous pou proanefera kai sta dyo mou simeiwmata).

Den borei to "Wallpaper" na kanei kolakeftika afierwmata sti Thessaloniki, kai to "Lonely Planet" na leei oti i Thessaloniki einai o neos protimwmenos proorismos astikou tourismou gia tous Evrwpaious, kai to soul na mas mizeriazei me ti mirla tou synehws kai exakolouthitika.

Ohi, file mou, emas sti Thessaloniki DEN mas endiaferei o dialogos me tin Athina (=mia apotyhimeni poli, mia parikmasmeni koinwnia) perissotero apo o,ti o dialogos me tin Kwnstantinoupoli, ti Lefkwsia, ti Vyritto, to Tel Aviv, ti Sofia, ta Skopia, ta Tirana, ti Mosha, tin Tiflida, to Milano, ti Varkelwni, ti Massalia, to Montreal, ti Nea Yorki, to Los Angeles... alla pou' na to katalaveis esy pou meneis se mia poli pou nomizei oti einai to kentro tis Gis kai antlei dynami mono kai mono apo to gegonos oti poulaei tsabouka kai davatziliki stin ypoloipi Ellada?

An mou apantiseis sta erwtimata pou thetw, sta erwtimata pou amfisvitoun ta klise tis "proodeftikis" Athinas kai "syntiritikis" Thessalonikis, tote tha sou xanagrapsw.

Kai afti einai i proklisi, giati vlepeis oti molis kapoios paei na taraxei ligo tin afasia twn klise kai ti vlakeia tou lifestyle-istikou logou, apodiorganwneste oloi sas kai den xerete ti na peite.

Perimenw...

12:05 AM

 
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12:13 AM

 
Blogger Gap Lab said...

Ena pragma 8a sou pw file Stergio, to opoio akurwnei thn kritikh sou automata: DEN ZW STHN A8HNA, ALLA KAPOU STHN EYRWPH. An to eixes psaksei ligo kalutera to 8ema 8a to e3akribwnes o idios!!! Den exw zhsei pote mou sthn A8hna, anti8etws exw zhsei 23 xronia ap th zwh mou sthn Thessaloniki. Den skopeuw na gurisw sthn Thessaloniki, 8a h8ela omws na sou pw oti me thn grinia sou kai to patriwtiko sou paralhrhma pros8eteis sth mizeria pou perigrafeis,,, den to katalabaineis? Esu eisai pou to blepeis mizera - oxi to Soul. To Soul fantazomai einai ekfrasths mia apopshs diaforetikhs apo th dikh, giati na mpoikotaroume osous den sumfwnoun mazi mas? Auto einai to fasistiko pou sou lega! Ws katanalwths, mporeis aplws na arnh8eis na to agoraseis, h pseuto-epanastash omws pou proteineis fwnazei apwterous skopous kai dolo! Giati an h8eles alh8eia na alla3eis thn polh sou, 8a epeleges enan agwna pio dyskolo kai pio apotelesmatiko apo to mpoikotarisma tou Soul, to opoio Soul parepiptontws, oi Thessalonikeis to agapoun, to diabazoun, kai diafwnoun kata to pleiston mazi sou. Exeis ereisma opote, h eisai ontws enas (gew) grafikos xouligan, monaxikos kaoumpoi ths boreias e8nopatridas?
Me th seira mou sou proteinw na diabaseis kanena keimeno tou G Skampardwnh, o opoios einai kai Salonikios, kai 8a ri3ei ligo fws ston anhliago fanatismo sou.

Eisai pera gia pera adikos, otan milas gia tous sunergates tou Soul, oi opoioi KAI thessalonikeis einai, oi pleistoi, alla kai agapoun thn Thessaloniki oso tipote allo.

Eisai akrws isopedwtikos, pragma pou fanerwnei ton ekneurismo sou kai thn apognwsh sou. Giati bre Stergio, na fortwneis sto Soul adikies dekaetiwn? Gurise ligo to kefali sou kai des pou briskontai oi pragmatikes aities, anoi3e ligo ta matia sou kai diabase kai ta kolakeutika gia thn Thessaloniki ar8ra tou Soul, ta opoia mallon eskemmena agnoeis sta 2 mhnumata sou.
Ase pou apo kolakies allo tipota sth Thessaloniki -- auta einai ta klise pou epanalambaneis kai su. Zhtas kolakeytika sxolia gia mia polh pou exei egkataleif8ei apo tous arxontes ths kai opou ta periodika einai h monh elpida gia upeu8unh kritikh kai elegxo twn kratountwn!! 8elei 8arros kai tolmh gia na anagnwriseis to kalo pou kanei to Soul, 3upnaei suneidhseis breeee! Dhmiourgei dialogo, opws auton pou die3agoume emeis oi duo - Prosfora tou Soul, katalabaineis ti ennow?

Giati koimountai h e8elotufloun osoi nomizoun oti o Tupos uparxei gia na xaideuei autia kai na "xruswnei xapia". LA8OS! To Soul 8a sunexizei na 3emprostiazei tous anikanous, kai na fernei sthn epifaneia ta kakws keimena, oxi giati den agapa thn polh, alla epeidh akribws thn agapa me polu perissotero pa8os apo autous pou kokoreuontai uperpatriwtismo.

Kai esw ligo pio anoiktos se ais8htikes pou den synfwnoun me th dikh sou. Den kanei kako! Kai kyriws, xalarwse karntasi, den epese kai h polh!

4:45 AM

 
Blogger stergios said...

File gap lab,

Den katalavaineis kapoia POLY vasika pragmata.

Den eipa pote mou oti i Thessaloniki den ehei provlimata. Ehei kai paraehei, alla i lysi sta provlimata afta den einai dynaton na dothei apo ena periodiko opws to soul tou opoiou i aisthitiki kai i dialektiki (an yparhei kati tetoio) peristrefetai gyrw apo to poso teleia einai i Athina kai pote ki emeis tha ti mimithoume ikanopoiitika.

AFTI einai i enstasi mou sto soul, kai otan kalw gia boikotarisma, afto ennow. Arnoumaste na agorasoume to periodiko!

Hrisimopoieis para polles ekfraseis typou "voreia ethnopatrida" kai "patriwtiko paralirima"... kai egw se rwtw... apo pou' prokyptoun ola afta?

Giati mou apodideis ekfraseis pou pou den hrisimopoiisa? Profanws epeidi den eheis xanamilisei me kapoion san ki emena, kai den xereis pou' na me entaxeis.

Profanws skeftesai oti apo ti stigmi pou den ypokyptw stin omovrontia twn klise peri "xenofovikis", "syntiritikis", "opisthodromikis" klp Thessalonikis, den anikw stin "pefwtismeni" Aristera, i opoia kat'exakolouthisi kai shedon epangelmatiko tropo vrizei tin Thessaloniki kai ton kosmo tis.
O Skabardwnis, gia ton opoio mou grafeis, anikei ston kosmo tis Aristeras pou thewrei ton eafto tis apolyto rekti aisthitikis kai dimokratias, kai den anehetai tin paramikri amfisvitisi aftis tis fantasiakis tis prwtokathedrias. Ara, den einai tyhaio oti ki o Skabardwnis grafei osa grafei.

Profanws skeftesai oti apo ti stigmi pou den anikw stin Aristera, den borei para na eimai Dexios, kai di Akrodexios, na sernomai me ta gonata oli ti mera stis ekklisies kai na oneirevomai pote tha paroume tin Poli kai pote tha sfaxoume olous tous Alvanous.

Giati mehri ekei ftanei i aspromavri skepsi sou.

Isws na voithouse an sou elega oti den eimai oute Aristeros, oute Dexios, kai oti antipathw ton Papagewrgopoulo kai ton Pswmiadi kai ton Karatzaferi oso tin Arapoglou kai ton Vougia kai tous 5 megaloshimous Thessalonikious ypourgous tou PASOK pou den ekanan tipota gia tin poli?

Den ta vazw mono me to SOUL kai an zouses sti Thessaloniki tha borousa na sou exigisw ti ennow.

Afto pou me enohlei sto SOUL einai oti apotelei gia ti Thessaloniki o,ti oi tainies tou "paliou kalou ellinikou kinimatografou" gia oli tin Ellada, diladi mia diarki propaganda tou athinokentrikou kratous shetika me to poso yperohi einai i zwi stin Athina, opou akomi kai i teleftaia hwriatopoula borei na perasei ena-dyo hronia san ypiretria sto spiti tis Kolonakiwtissas kyrias mehris otou vrei kai pantreftei ton kalo gambro.

To SOUL peristrefetai gyrw apo tin Athina opws to fengari gyrw apo ti Gi, kai AFTO einai pou enohlei, to gegonos kai mono oti to periodiko einai dysanaloga prosanatolismeno pros o,ti paizei stin Athina kai monimws SYNGRINEI ti Thessaloniki me tin Athina.

Vlepw syneheia arthra gia to pw's o tade mousikos efyge gia tin Athina, i gia to "pw's mas vlepoun oi Athinaioi", klp. Afta ta arthra kanoun poly kako sto ithiko twn Thessalonikewn giati den proteinoun tipote apolytws para mono oti i Athina einai to fws stin akri tou tounel!

Den eida pote kanena arthro pou na pragmatevetai ti shesi tis Thessalonikis me tin ypoloipi hwra kai ta Valkania, me tin Evrwpi kai ton ypoloipo kosmo, den eida kapoio arthro pou na prospathei na psellisei enan aftonomo politistiko, aisthitiko logo tis Thessalonikis se shesi me ton kosmo, mia protasi, mia ideologia tis polis. Ola peristrefontai gyrw apo tin Athina, kai pw's na min einai etsi otan oi misoi synergates tou periodikou einai Athinaioi?

Oi de Thessalonikeis pou doulevoun sto periodiko (kai pistepse me, xerw kapoious apo aftous) ehoun plirws ypotahtei sta klise tou eteroprosdiorismou mas ws Thessalonikewn apo tous Athinaious medio-kratores!

En oligois, to SOUL einai ena thewritika thessalonikiwtiko periodiko pou kalliergei stous Thessalonikeis to apoikiokratiko komplex tou monimws defterou, tou monimws ypotagmenou.

To SOUL einai i teleftaia trypa tou zourna tou athinokentrikou kratous pou prospathei na elenxei syneidiseis. Eheis diavasei to "Katasekvazontas synainesi" tou Chomsky? Lege-lege sto telos panta kati menei.

Opws oi Indoi, me ton polyhilieti politismo "kataferan" na niwthoun katwteroi apo tous Anglous kataktites tous, to idio symvainei kai me mas tous Thessalonikeis.
Oi de Thessalonikeis synergates tou SOUL den einai tipote allo pera apo ekeinous tous Indous pou apo to peisma tous na moiasoun me tous Anglous eftasan sto simeio na pinoun kafto tsai to apogevma, ki as ehei 42 vathmous sti Vomvai!

Gi'afto thymwnw kai exorgizomai me to SOUL.

I Thessaloniki einai afti pou einai, me ta kala tis kai ta kaka tis.
Mia poli me ena ekatommyrio kosmo den hwraei se klise, oute se genikefseis.

I Thessaloniki pernaei polyplevri krisi, me tin apoviomihanisi kai tin anergia, pou dimiourgoun asgyktikes katastaseis gia tin oikonomia kai tin koinwnia tis polis.

Nomizeis oti mia poli me 15% episimi anergia (i pragmatiki eikona einai heiroteri) kai me megalo pososto ergazomenwn pou pairnoun 700-800 evrw ton mina, borei na einai mesa stin kali hara?

I krisi einai polyplevri, alla o isopedwtikos kai katangeltikos logos den proerhetai apo mena, alla apo mia kakws ennooumeni "grammi" twn MME gia ti Thessaloniki pou paragnwrizei ola ta kala kai diongwnei ola ta kaka. Paradeigma, to hazo arthro tou Prokopi Douka, o opoios mesa se dyo meres pou irthe stin poli ta katalave ola kai ta antilifthike ola osa aforoun kai mas haraktirizoun.

Exypakouetai pws den zitaw apo ton typo na exwraizei ti Thessaloniki, afto katalaves gia mena? Zitaw ISORROPIA, omws, kai AGAPI gia aftin tin poli. Zitaw akomi kai DIKAIOSYNI stin kritiki.

Den borei na milame gia krisi tou politismou sti Thessaloniki, i gia tin xenofovia sti Thessaloniki , syngrinontas tin poli pantote me ena anyparkto "ideato" athinaiko paradeigma.

Den borei na vlepei kaneis ena arthro pou na leei px "eidame aftin tin teleia parastasi stin Athina, pou' tetoia sti Thessaloniki" kai na min vlepei ena arthro gia tous dikous mas ithopoious kai ta -ouk oliga- theatrika shimata.

Den borei na diavazei kaneis gia to vivlio pou kaike prin apo 15 hronia stin Aristotelous akomi kai fetos, les kai i Thessaloniki einai mia poli opou kaigontai kathe mera vivlia, hwris na vlepei kaneis kai ena parallilo arthro pou na leei oti oi Thessalonikeis diavazoun dyo fores parapanw apo tous ypoloipous Ellines.

Kai en pasi periptwsei, den borei kaneis na milaei gia polyplevri krisi sti Thessaloniki, les kai i Athina den pernaei ki afti krisi. Oli i Ellada, oli i elliniki koinwnia pernaei krisi. Giati na provalloume ola ta strava kai na ta fortwnoume sti Thessaloniki?

Min ta rihneis ola ston Papagewrgopoulo kai ston Pswmiadi, san poly tous anevazeis! San polli dynami tous anagnwrizeis!

I efthyni gia ta halia tis Thessalonikis peftei akeraia sto athinokentriko kratos. Opou me ti frasi afti den ennow ton k. Kwsta apo to Pangrati kai tin k. Maria apo to Peristeri, alla to politiko SYSTIMA pou ehei skotwsei oli tin Ellada, prokeimenou na zisei i Athina. Sto systima SAFWS kai entassw OLOUS tous Thessalonikious politikous, vouleftes, ypourgous, dimarhous, nomarhes, pou den diekdikisan POTE' TIPOTA gia aftin tin poli.

I efthyni pou ehoume emeis oi Thessalonikeis einai na katalavoume oti i Athina den einai i swtiria mas, opws mas proteinei to SOUL, alla i sklavia mas.

I Evrwpi twn perifereiwn mas dinei ti dynatotita na meiwsoume stadiaka tis adifages orexeis tis Athinas kai na aftonomithoume siga-siga kai dioikitika apo tin prwtevousa.

I efthyni pou ehoume emeis oi Thessalonikeis einai na katalavoume oti borei i Athina na einai sarka apo ti sarka mas, alla afto den simainei oti thelei kai to kalo mas. Polles fores, o aderfos mas DEN einai o kalyteros symmahos mas.

Prepei na diekdikisoume aftonomia se epipedo dioikisis. Na eklegoume topiko nomothetiko swma kai topiki kyvernisi pou tha diaheirizetai ta hrimata twn Thessalonikiwn forologoumenwn pros ofelos tis Thessalonikis kai tis Voreias Elladas, kai ohi gia na ftiahnontai stathmoi metro, aerodromia, aftokinitodromoi kai ahrista gipeda stin Athina.

Gia na syneiditopoiisoume oti prepei na kinithoume pros aftin tin katefthynsi hreiazetai na syneiditopoiisoume poio einai to symferon mas kai poios mas embodizei apo to na to diekdikisoume.

Oso gia to "kardasi, halara", isws na einai efkolo gia sena ton apodimo na to les, exallou esydiakatehesai apo komplex anwterotitas apenanti se osous apo emas ehoume meinei sti Thessaloniki kai eheis rixei synaisthimatiki mavri petra pisw sou. Sigoura apo mesa sou les "koufales, na vrasete sto zoumi sas, egw xefyga".

Na matheis na sevesai ti grinia.
I grinia einai thymos pou den borei na vrei diexodo. Den einai anapodia kai den einai stenoi orizontes, opws mou katalogizeis, ektos ki an oi katoikoi tis Varkelwnis kai tou Montreal pou epityhws diekdikisan tin axioprepeia tous apo tis kentrikes tous kyverniseis einai ki aftoi koimismenoi.

To SOUL den xypnaei kammia syneidisi, isa isa koimizei me ti glykia myrwdia tou opiou tou fantastikou athinaikou american dream. Aloimono an oi Thessalonikeis hreiazontan to periodiko tou Mr. Athens Voice gia na syndialehthoun metaxy tous.

Oso gia to oti prepei na eimai pio anoihtos se "aisthitikes pou den symfwnoun mazi mou", MI SWSW na ftasw sto simeio na ehw tin aisthitiki apopsi oti o Karvelas einai o Ellinas Bob Dylan!!!

7:26 AM

 
Blogger Prokopis Doukas said...

Agapite Stergie,

Pros ti to misos kai o allilosparagmos? Apo ti glossa sou deixneis kalliergimenos anthropos... Giati loipon tosi orgi kai fanatismos? H prossegissi mou einai kathara politiki kai an theleis tha stin exigisso - elpizontas oti eho apenanti mou enan psyhraimo synomiliti...

I sygkrisi pou kaneis me tin Athina den stekei... Oxi giati einai “anoteri”, alla giati aploustata einai (dystyhos)i misi Ellada... Synepos tin ekfrazei ex isou kai i kentriki kyvernisi i an theleis, i pleiopsifia ton ekprosopon (kai ypourgon mas). Par’ ola afta, VEVAIOS kai tin ekfrazei (se symvoliko epipedo) kai o dimarxos tis - ki as ekprosopei to 1/10 tou (voreion proasteion kyrios) plithismou tis... Stin evriteri Athina loipon (kai oxi sto ypoloipo Attikis me to opoio mperdeveis ta pragmata -einai i mikroteri plythismiaka perifereia, ekei opou thriamvefse o Karatzaferis) yparxi eftihos ena terastio antivaro psifoforon (B’ Athinon), pou pote den epetrepse na yparxei ena tetoio “didymo”... Oso gia ti sygkrissi pou kaneis me ti Varkeloni i to Montreal einai entelos “anoikeia” - afou ekei yparxoun ethnotikes-glossikes diafores. Os ti tha “anexartitopoiithei” i Thessaloniki, os i “elafros laiko-akrodexioteri” tis ypoloiopis Elladas?

To thema paramenei to exis: Einai i den einai i Thessaloniki to “pronomiako” pedio gia kathe Karatzaferi na valei ypopsifiotita kai gia kathe “yperpatrioti” na brei prosforo edafos gia syllalitiria kai psifous? Epsahne i den epsahne o Karamanlis metaxy Kiltidi, Papathemeli kai Kalantzi poion tha topothetisei Ypourgo Voreiou Ellados, os “anahoma” ston Karatzaferi? Espefsan i oxi oi ekprosopoi tis Thessalonikis (ypourgos, nomarhis kai vouleftes) na pleiodotissoun se “yperpatriotikes” kai epikindyna “koutoponires” diloseis kata tis Gioul Kara-hasan?

Oi ektimiseis kapoion lene oti i apihisi tou Karatzaferi tha aggixei to 20% sti Thessaloniki - ki an den to kataferei tha einai giati oi en dynamei psifoforoi tou “kalyptontai” apo to yparxon didymo kai pleiada allon politikon, pou “diagkonizontai” sto poios tha kerdisei tin evnoia tou “xristeponymou” kai ypersintiritikou koinou. Afto einai to provlima - kai min prospatheis na kryfteis piso apo antiparatheseis “topikismou”...

Giati to megalytero lathos tou sxoliou sou - kata tin tapeini mou gnomi - einai oti katafevgeis sti “symplegatiki sygkrisi” me tin Athina - les kai diagonizomaste poios tha vgei protos. Profanos agnoeis tin anafora mou oti “to kitch einai panellinio kai panathinaiko”. Oute o typos tou psifoforou pou perigrafo sto proto kommati tou arthrou, leo oti einai einai “thessalonikios” - apantatai profanos se oli tin epikrateia. Ek tou apotelesmatos omos, synagei kaneis oti apantatai ligo (anysixitika) parapano, ekei pou meneis...

Aftos o “opadikos topikismos” pou ekfrazeis isos einai kai i riza ton fainomenon pou perigrafo. Oute mouri thelo na sou pouliso, oute “opados” eimai perissotero tis Athinas, tis Thessalonikis i tis Karditsas. Akoma perissotero den eimai “kinsoras” tou ti einai proodeftiko - tin apopsi mou leo kai i kritiki dekti. Kritiki omos, oxi efkolous xaraktirismous. Poios sou eipe oti den theoro “apogoiteftika” ta politika-aisthitika xaraktiristika kai tis Athinas kai tis Elladas genikotera? (arkei na akousei kaneis me ti moussiki “diaskedazoume”...) Pou xereis me possous thessalonikious milissa prin grapso “pos mou fainetai i Thessaloniki”? Dystyhos, i “eikona” tis politika afti einai.. Makari na einai etsi opos ta les gia tin poli opou zeis, alla dystyhos afto den apotyponetai sto apotelesma tis kalpis...

I kritiki mou einai ex isou afstiri (an diavazeis pote ta arthra mou stin AV) kai gia tin Athina kai gia tin Ellada - kai gia opoion “syntrivanakia”... Xereis pos apantas stin epixeirimatologia mou? Proton, me to na diateinese oti den eprepe na mou dosoun “vima” (oraia dimokratiki apopsi) kai defteron, san na erxotan enas Gallos na mou kanei kritiki gia tin elliniki kyvernissi ki ego na tou apantousa “ma ki eseis xalia eisaste - emeis eimaste kalyteroi”... (Xalia einai politika ta teleftaia hronia, alla afto den einai dikaiologia gia mas...)

Afto loipon, en katakleidi, pou thelo na sou tonisso, einai oti den eiha kammia prothessi na “dysfimisso” ti Thessaloniki.. Fovamai oti dysfimitai “moni tis” - me ta eklogika tis apotelesmata, ennoo...
Esy loipon, pou eisai toso “opados” tis Thessalonikis, ti kaneis (mazi me allous pou isos exoun tin idia gnomi me sena) gia na min exei tetoia eklogiki “symperifora” kai tetoious ekprosopous i poli sou? Ego pantos prospathousa anekathen me ta grapta mou - kata ti gnomi mou panta - na min exoume ekprosopous kai kyvernontes, gia tous opoious ntrepomaste...

P.S. H Athens Voice (kai ta gyro tis entypa) einai i monadiki endiaferousa nea ekdotiki-dimosiografiki prospatheia pou xero stin Ellada, tin teleftaia pentaetia kai vale...

P.S. 2 Gi afto kai grafo kanena arthro pou kai pou - giati sto grapto den akougontai ta “sardam” mou... ;-)

3:22 AM

 
Blogger stergios said...

Agapite Prokopi,

> Giati loipon tosi orgi kai > fanatismos?

Prwta apo ola, min synheeis to pathos me ton fanatismo. An perimeneis apo mena na hrisimopoiisw ton strongylemeno, kai nerovrasto logo tis "eksynhronistikis" Elladas pou to paizei xafnika gallothremmeni asti kai xynizei ta moutra tis me tin paramikri lexi pou den einai "comme il faut", atyhises!

Grafw me pathos giati opote ginomai martyras mias "politikis prosengisis" gia ta pragmata tis polis mou apo tous medio-krates tis Athinas (anamesa stous opoious safws symperilamvanesai ki esy sto metro pou sou analogei), diapistwnw oti yfistamai ws Thessalonikios enan kataigismo apo adikies kai genikefseis, en telei, enan apoikiokratiko viasmo!

Grafw me pathos giati otan grafeis oti oi Thessalonikeis einai etsi 'i oi Thessalonikeis einai alliws, hwris na erminefseis oute tis diaforetikes synistwses mias polis tou 1 ekatommyriou, oute ta polla revmata pou apartizoun tin edw koinwnia, eisai apla kai kathara, enas apoikiokratis pou ekmetallevomenos ti shesi exousias pou ehei to diko sou politismiko perivallon (Athina) se shesi me afto pou exetazeis, genikeveis hwris na katanoeis, ermineveis hwris na gnwrizeis kai kataligeis se ewla symperasmata, san afta pou egrafe o Conrad gia "ta skoteina vathi tis Afrikis".

Grafw me pathos giati niwthw ws Thessalonikios oti apeiloumai kai adikoumai.
Otan i ypoloipi Ellada kai di, i aftarhiki, synkentrwtiki, apolytarhiki, medio-kratoria tis Athinas KATALAVEI ti Thessaloniki, tote tha rixw ki egw tous tonous mou.

> I sygkrisi pou kaneis me tin > Athina den stekei... Oxi giati > einai “anoteri”, alla giati > aploustata einai (dystyhos)i > misi Ellada...

Ara, gia na se katalavw kalytera... apo ti stigmi pou i Athina einai i misi Ellada den ehw dikaiwma na tin katakrinw gia tin tragiki koinwniki tis parakmi, giati aploustata, otan enas Athinaios Hrysavgitis pyrovolei enan Nigiriano den prokeitai gia fainomeno ratsismou kai xenofovias pou afora oli tin koinwnia tis Athinas, alla gia memonwmeno peristatiko mesa sta ekatommyria twn Athinaiwn, enw otan se mia kwmopoli sta 30 hiliometra apo ti Thessaloniki oi goneis twn mathitwn enos sholeiou arnountai ti simaia se enan Alvano aristouho mathiti, tote borw na daimonopoiw olokliri tin koinwnia tis Thessalonikis, giati i Thessaloniki den antiproswpevei para mono ena 10% tou plithysmou tis hwras?

Den borw na pw oti katalavainw pw's skeftesai.

Giati na dehtw egw na einai i poli mou askisi epi hartou gia olous esas tous Athinaious pou den tolmate na peite ta pragmata me to onoma tous stin idia sas tin poli?

Ektos ki an ennoeis oti Ellada ison Athina, kai oti oles oi ypoloipes periohes tis hwras einai enas hylos, mia maza ypanthrwpwn pou einai kali oso den mas enohloun kai gia synkekrimenes hriseis (px Mykonos to kalokairi, Kerkyra to Pasha, Thessaloniki gia to festival kinimatografou, klp).
Ektos ki an ennoeis oti o,ti ginetai stin Athina afora atoma, giati stin Athina zoun oloklirwmenes proswpikotites enw sti Thessaloniki zei mia apeilitiki maza, pou symperiferetai me eniaio tropo, san ta kyttara mias amoivadas, hwris diaforetikes taseis kai diaforetikes fwnes, opote pame pali se osa sou egrapsa peri apoikiokratikis antilipsis.

> Stin evriteri Athina loipon (kai > oxi sto ypoloipo Attikis me to > opoio mperdeveis ta pragmata - > einai i mikroteri plythismiaka > perifereia, ekei opou > thriamvefse o Karatzaferis)
> yparxi eftihos ena terastio > antivaro psifoforon (B’ > Athinon), pou pote den epetrepse > na yparxei ena > tetoio “didymo”...

Egw ena pragma xerw, oti o Karatzaferis to megalytero pososto tou panelladika to ehei parei stis ekloges gia tin Ypernomarhia Attikis-Peiraiws. An esy theleis na erminefseis to giati kai pws, an theleis na mou exigiseis poios dimos me poia haraktiristika psifise ti, kala kaneis.
An ekanes to idio kai gia ti Thessaloniki, an prospathouses na afoungrasteis kai na katalaveis ti Thessaloniki opws ti... B' Athinwn, ta symperasmata sou tha itan diaforetika kai pio dikaia gia tous Thessalonikeis.

Twra, an mou apitrepeis ena genikotero sholio, se afta pou grafeis gia ti B' Athinwn afineis na ennoithei oti "eftyhws" ekei yparhei mia megali merida psifoforwn pou den epetrepsan na dimiourgithei ena "didymo" a la Thessaloniki. Profanws ennoeis tous Aristerous psifoforous, kai erhomaste se mia alli diastasi tou thematos, afti pou thelei o,ti einai ('i aftoapokaleitai Aristero) na einai "anwtero", "proodeftikotero", kai den symmazevetai. Epanalamvanw, gia na mi me parexigiseis, to "didymo" den to hwnevw oute egw, etsi? Alla den ehw akousei kapoio koinwniko-politiko sholio apo sena pou na mas exigei pw's einai dynaton oi diaforoi Aristeroi na kaine kathe hrono to kentro tis Athinas kai afto na thewreitai "proodos"? Pw's ginetai o Markatos na anehetai tin katastrofi tou istorikou Metsoviou Polytehneiou kai na min katakeravnwnetai apo tin athinaiki medio-kratia? Pw's exigeitai oti ti MIA kai MONI fora pou oi batsoi synelavan kammia ekatosti apo aftous pou kaine kathe hrono to Polytehneio, xesikwthikan ola ta Voreia Proastia kai evalan lytous kai demenous, ypourgous kai vouleftes, prokeimenou i astynomia na afisei ta tzigeria tous elefthera? Apo tous 100 syllifthentes, tin epomeni den eihe meinei oute enas sta kratitiria, profanws anarrwnyan oloi apo to stress twn vandalismwn dipla stin pisina sti Nea Erythraia!

Alla gia ti skepsi sou ola afta einai "memonwmena" peristatika, pou den aforoun oli tin Athina, opote as pame pali pisw sti Thessaloniki na ti vrisoume syllogika ligo akomi?

> Oso gia ti sygkrissi pou kaneis > me ti Varkeloni i to Montreal > einai entelos “anoikeia” - afou > ekei yparxoun ethnotikes-
> glossikes diafores.

Symfwnoi. Den ehoume glwssikes kai ethnotikes diafores opws ehoun ekei, alla oute to Vancouver ehei ethnotikes diafores me tin Ottawa, oute i Sevilli me ti Madriti. Kai oi dyo aftes poleis, me tis periohes pou dioikoun kai epireazoun, ehoun lavei dioikitiki kai oikonomiki aftonomia. Episis se antithesi me tin Katalwnia kai to Kebek, i Vrettaniki Kolomvia kai i Andalousia elavan tin aftonomia tous hwris na apilisoun me aposhisi, tin elavan ws kati to fysiologiko pou epitassei o koinos nous stin Ottawa kai sti Madriti. I anaptyxi se mia hwra den borei na erthei otan ena kentro, mia poli, krataei ton elenho san dynastis kai tyrannos.

> Os ti tha “anexartitopoiithei” i > Thessaloniki, os i “elafros > laiko-akrodexioteri” tis > ypoloiopis Elladas?

Eisai gnisios Athinaios telika...
Des pw's anhwthikes!!!

Milisa egw gia anexartitopoiisi?
Egw milisa aplws gia AFTONOMISI!
"Dioikitiki apokentrwsi" pou lene oles oi kyverniseis? E, afto. "Na apofasizoun oi topikes koinwnies" pou lene ola ta kommata (prin perasoun firmania gia apokefalismo "antartwn" stin topikes ekloges)? Afto. Alla me ousiastiko tropo, ohi sto blabla.

Giati anhwthikes toso, Prokopi?
Pligwthike o narkissismos sou ws katoikou tou apolytou kentrou tou Ellinismou?

Isyhase, den milise kaneis gia anexartisia, ohi epeidi den tha mas voithouse na petaxoume ton athinaiko zygo mia wra arhitera, alla epeidi se mia Evrwpi twn perifereiwn kati tetoio den ehei noima.

I antidrasi sou mou thymise ena peristatiko sto aerodromio tis Larnakas prin apo polla hronia, mia fora pou eihan apergia oi Kypriakes Aerogrammes. Ginontan, loipon synhwnefseis ptisewn gia na exypiretithei o kosmos, kai mesa sto olo alaloum, mia ptisi gia Manchester tha efevge misi wra prin apo mia ptisi gia Athina, para to oti arhika i seira itan antistrofi. Enas Athinaios arhise na tsirizei mesa sto aerodromio: "Kwlokyprioi, prwta frontizete ta afentika sas tous Anglous, e?".

Se ekeini ti fasi eipa mesa mou: "Enw poioi tha eprepe na einai ta afentika tous, eseis oi Athinaioi?". Skeftika oti gia ton synkekrimeno Athinaio, thewreitai EK TWN WN OUK ANEF oti o,tidipote pou aftoprosdiorizetai elliniko tha prepei na pertistrefetai gyrw apo tin Athina! Afto pou ton peiraxe sti syngekrimeni periptwsi den itan oti oi Kyprioi borei na ehoun -kat'afton panta- "afentika" tous Anglous, alla oti den ehoun "afentika" tous tous Athinaious!

Giati AFTI einai i ousia tou pragmatos, afto einai to zoumi tis yperopsias tis Athinas, AFTOS einai o logos pou oi Athinaioi systimatika amfisvitoun tin ellinikotita twn Kypriwn.

Plateiasa, alla afto pou thelw na pw einai to exis:

Nai, eimaste Ellines, alla opws oi Kyprioi (kai oi Pontioi kai oi Mikrasiates kai kai kai) eimaste ALLOU eidous Ellines apo afto pou plathei i episimi Ellada.

Ti thelw na pw?
Opws xereis, i Athina einai mia poli me 180 hronia istorias, osa kai to neoelliniko kratos. I nea Ellada dimiourgithike apo tis Megales Dynameis otan pia aftes ekrinan oti eihe erthei pia i wra na kopei kommatakia i Othwmaniki Aftokratoria. S'ta lew ap'exw ap'exw, poly grigora. Gia na dimiourgithei ena ethniko ideologima, pragma aparaitito gia ti dimiourgia enos ethnikou kratous, epistrateftike o evrwpaikos romantismos pou milouse gia anaviwsi tis arhaias Elladas kai den symmazevetai. O monos logos gia ton opoio dimiourgithike i nea prwtevousa ekei opou dimiourgithike itan prokeimenou na parei to onoma pou efere i arhaia poli pou toso eihe simadepsei tin klasiki arhaiotita, ta ereipia tis opoia vriskontai akomi ekei, katw apo tin Akropoli. I Athina einai mia elliniki Brasilia pou dimiourgithike hari sto "oneiro", gia na min pw "oneirwxi" tou Othwna kai tou Vyrwna kai twn Vavarwn romantikwn. Gi'afto kai oloi oi kentrikoi dromoi feroun onomata "filellinwn", giati se aftous hrwstaei i Athina tin yparxi tis.

Gia na synehisei na dikaiologei tin yparxi tis ston kosmo, i Athina einai ANANGASMENI na syntirei ton fantasiako mytho oti apotelei syneheia tis Athinas tou Perikleous, klp., oti apotelei tin kefali enos ethnous pou nekranastithike meta apo 2.300 hronia stin katapsyxi tis istorias, klp.

Me ti logiki "to peponi kai to mahairi", i Athina frontise na perasei tin episimi afti ideologia se oli tin epikrateia.

Ela omws pou i Voreia Ellada ehei molis 90 hronia "anexartisias"! Otan enwthikame me tin "Palia" Ellada kai irthame antimetwpoi me tin episimi ethniki ideologia, kaname hrats hrats to kefali mas kai eipame: "Gia miso lepto, den einai akrivws etsi ta pragmata"...

Giati i episimi ethniki ideologia opws ekfrazetai apo tin elite tis Athinas exidanikevei tin klasiki arhaiotita kai daimonopoiei to Vyzantio, enw ARNEITAI ton dimotiko kai laiko politismo twn Ellinwn.

Den prepei na eimaste perifanoi gia ti dimotiki mas mousiki, alla epivalletai na metarsiwnomaste apo theia methexi me ta karagiozilikia tou Sikelianou stous Delfous (xerw, diepraxa ierosylia twra, e?).

Apo nwris arhise na diamorfwnetai mia dysforia... edw sti Voreia Ellada ta spitia mas ehoun paradosiaka alli arhitektoniki, trwme alla fagita, den ehoume arhaious filosofous (me exairesi ton megisto Aristoteli kai ton Dimokrito) kai naous, alla ehoume apeirous hristianous filosofous (opws ton Thessalonikio Grigorio ton Palama) kai exaisies vyzantines ekklisies.

I tehniti nekranastasi tis arhaiolagneias den mas afora, einai kati engefaliko kai psyhro kai akadimaiko kai se teliki analysi geloio (einai san na fovomaste to pyriniko programma tou Iran epeidi... tin patisame stis Thermopyles!).

I MONI morfi tis arhaias (prohristianikis) Elladas pou perase ston laiko politismo einai o Megalexandros kai i trelli tou i aderfi, to onoma tis opoias ferei i Thessaloniki. Den yparhoun dimotika gia tin Athina' oute gia ton Dionyso...

I arhaia elliniki paradosi epiviwse metexelissomeni ston mesaiwniko ellinismo opws ekfrazetai apo to Vyzantio kai ton laiko elliniko politismo twn 500 (kai ohi 400) hronwn tis Tourkokratias.

Afta einai akomi zwntana edw, antehoun, enw stin Athina ehoun antikatastathei apo to episimo ethniko ideologima to opoio opws eipa, ARNEITAI ti laiki psyhi.

Etsi, emeis edw eimaste Ellines, alla eimaste ligotero "akadimaikoi" Ellines. Eimaste Ellines perissotero me tin kardia, para me to myalo, kai to athinaiko oikodomima ohi mono mas xenizei, alla mas apokleiei kiolas apo ti synhroni Ellada.

O Theodwrakis eihe pei oti to 1821 i Ellada anastithike meta apo narki 2.300 etwn... emeis edw sti Makedonia pou eihame enan Alexandro kai ena Vyzantio diladi, brikia kollousame?

Telos pantwn, opws eipe ki o Giannaras gia to episimo elliniko ideologima, "den boroume na eimaste paidia twn pappoudwn mas".
E, loipon, emeis edw eimaste paidia twn goniwn mas kai engonia twn papoudwn mas.

Afto einai to ena skelos twn diaforwn mas, to pio vathy kai ousiastiko. To viwmatika elliniko apenanti sto akadimaika elliniko.
Einai afto pou den tha kanei pote kanenan Voreioelladiti pou paristatai se kourbani ton Dekapentavgousto na pei: "Ah kale ti to kanoun to zwaki", opws eipe i Magia Tsokli stin episis apoikiokratikis aisthitikis ekpombi tis.

> To thema paramenei to exis: > Einai i den einai i Thessaloniki > to “pronomiako” pedio gia kathe > Karatzaferi na valei > ypopsifiotita kai gia > kathe “yperpatrioti” na brei > prosforo edafos gia > syllalitiria kai psifous?

To thema paramenei to exis:
Skeftesai i den skeftesai grammika?

Skeftikes, px, oti kata tis Evrwekloges, o enas stous treis Thessalonikious psifise komma ALLO apo PASOK kai ND? Symfwna me tin istoselida tou Ypourgeiou Eswterikwn, PASOK kai ND petyhan (KAI ta dyo kommata) ena apo ta hamilotera pososta tous panelladikws sti Thessaloniki.

O Karatzaferis petyhe ena apo ta ypsilotera, mazi me to KKE kai ton Leventi (1% elave o Proedros!). Afto den sou leei kati shetika me tin ennoia pou legetai "psifos diamartyrias"?

Twra tha perasw sto allo polo tis diaforas mas apo tin Athina: ton oikonomiko... Eimaste monimws rigmenoi, kai AGRIA rigmenoi. Den ehoume dromous kai aerodromia, den ehoume trena kai limania... I Voreia Ellada einai apokleismeni! An nomizei soti ypervallw, den eheis milisei arketa me Thessalonikeis. O orizontas allaxe ardin sta Valkania, kai i episimi elliniki politeia den frontise wste na anaptyhtei i Voreia Ellada oso eprepe. To apotelesma to vlepeis... i Thessaloniki, kai kat' epektasi i Ellada, den borei na anaptyhthei oikonomika ekmetallevomeni tin osmwsi me tis ypoloipes valkanikes hwres.

I Athina syneidita yponomevei ti Thessaloniki, kai o,ti ginetai swsto edw, pali erhetai i Athina kai to evnouhizei. Ehw na sou dwsw apeira paradeigmata... apo to pw's o athinaikos kosmos tis tehnis boikotare tin Politistiki Prwtevousa mehri to pw's i Helexpo siga siga metaferei tis epiheirisiakes tis draseis stin Athina. Gia poion logo ginetai afti i yponomefsi? Ma, exaitias tis akorestis orexis tis adifagou Athinas pou LYSSAEI otan hasei ton elenho apo mia paragwgiki diadikasia ana tin epikrateia.

To apokoryfwma itan i olympiaki eftaetia, otan 12 disekatommyria evrw spatalithikan gia ahrista stadia enw i ypoloipi hwra dipsouse gia ependyseis. Alla esy ws Athinaios, den evlepes tin adikia... hairosouna me tous eisagomenous granites sto cool metro kai vafkalizosoun oti zeis se synhroni megaloupoli, etsi? Den se eiha akousei na milas kata twn olympiakwn spatalwn (ektos ki an kanw lathos, opote me synhwreis, an kai den nomizw na kanw lathos).

Etsi ftasame sto simeio i allote viomihaniki poli twra na min ehei oute viotehnies eswrouhwn, me mia anergia astronomiki, me mia oikonomiki krisi prwtofani, pou den anahaitizetai kai den diorthwnetai apo kanenan stin Athina.

Oi de politikoi "mas" stin ousia einai politikoi tis ND kai tou PASOK. Xereis poso dimokratika leitourgoun ta megala kommata stin Ellada... ligo an diaforopoiithei kapoio stelehos apo tin episimi grammi "thetei eafton ektos trenou", opws o Souflias paliotera sti ND kai o Papantwniou sto PASOK. Ara, ta topika stelehi einai anangastika peithinia dobermanakia tou Athinaikou katestimenou, alliws, painroun podi kai exafanizontai apo ta politika pragmata tis polis kai tis hwras.

GI'AFTO oi Thessalonikeis handakwsan ta kommata exousias me pososta prwtognwra hamila gia megali poli... afto to pragma legetai "psifos diamartyrias".

O Thessalonikios einai LIGOTERO xenofovikos apo ton Athinaio, kai afto to aitiologw me ena apo ta proigoumena simeiwmata mou. Se antithesi me ton Athinaio, omws, o Thessalonikios ehei na antimetwpisei mia refsti katastasi sta Valkania pou ton tromazei. Otan to Kosovo kai oi UCK-ades tou einai stis 2,5 wres me to aftokinito apo ti Thessaloniki, i prooptiki einai kapws diaforetiki apo edw, den symfwneis?

> Epsahne i den epsahne o > Karamanlis metaxy Kiltidi, > Papathemeli kai Kalantzi poion > tha topothetisei Ypourgo Voreiou > Ellados, os “anahoma” ston > Karatzaferi?

Afto einai epeidi o Karamanlis, ws gnisio tekno tis athinaikis elite (mi mou peis oti einai Thessalonikios) skeftetai gia ti Thessaloniki aplousteftika kai grammika, opws esy.

> Espefsan i oxi oi ekprosopoi tis > Thessalonikis (ypourgos, > nomarhis kai vouleftes) na > pleiodotissoun > se “yperpatriotikes” kai > epikindyna “koutoponires” > diloseis kata tis Gioul Kara- > hasan?

I ypothesi Karahasan einai polyploki istoria. I Thraki gia esas tous Athinaious einai mia apofysi tis Elladas pros ta synora me tin Tourkia, kai pragmatika pistevw oti pio poly tha stenahwriosastan an den epairne to kypello o Olympiakos i o Panathinaikos, para gia to an i Thraki parameinei Ellada i ohi.

Gia mas i Thraki einai entelws diaforetiki ypothesi, einai zwntano kommati tis Voreias Elladas kai ypenthymisi oti zoume se mia periohi pou efkola borei na ekragei san pyritidapothiki.

Esy ws Athinaios den xereis ti simainei na koimasai me ta rouha opws ekanan oi Evrites to 74, min tyhon den prolavoun na fygoun an eisevale i Tourkia. Akomi kai twra, polloi Evrites ehoun ta diplwmata tous kai ta hartia tous se valitses, wste na min hreiastei na ta psahnoun an hreiastei na fygoun apo tin periohi. Esy ws Athinaios den xereis oti oi Ellines tis Thrakis ehoun deftera diamerismata sti Thessaloniki kai stin Athina, ohi gia na ehoun pou' na menoun otan erhontai sti megali poli, alla epeidi den xeroun ti tous epifylassei to mellon.

O tourkikos kindynos pou gia enan Athinaio apotelei pia grafikotita, gia enan Voreioelladiti apotelei zwsa mnimi (emena kai oi 4 pappoudes gennithikan Othwmanoi polites, i Tourkokratia den einai kati pou mathainw apo ta sholika vivlia.

Twra, otan sti Thraki yparhei mia mousoulmaniki meionotita pou i anikani elliniki politeia tous ehei petaxei olous stin angalia tis Tourkias, kai otan stin Komotini yparhei ena tourkiko proxeneio pou tromokratei tous mousoulmanous (ashetws ethnotikis katagwgis) me tin anohi tis Athinas, afto ti minyma stelnei? Boreis na fantasteis pw's niwtheis enas Ellinas tis Komotinis?

I mipws nomizeis oti i Karahasan einai xekommeni kai epese apo ton ourano stin "skoteini kardia tis Voreias Elladas"? Ola einai allilendeta kai ola exigountai, ftanei na theleis na afoungrasteis ton pono twn anthrwpwn kai na min ekfwneis logous ek kathedras opws kanei oli i athinaiki dianoisi.

Me tosi anasfaleia kai agwnia ek merous twn ethnotika Ellinwn tis Thrakis, den itan moiraio na tyhei i ypospisifotita tis Karahasan tis ypodohis pou etyhe?

Giati mi nomizeis oti mono oi mousoulmanoi tis Thrakis epashan tosa hronia apo elleimma isonomias kai isopoliteias... Yparhoun polles katigories Ellinwn politwn stin hwra mas, polles taxeis... enas Thessalonikios as poume, einai katw apo enan Athinaio, kai enas nisiwtis tis agonis grammis... ase kalytera... ki afta elleimmata isonomias kai isopoliteias einai.

I epilogi Karahasan einai ki afti apoikiokratiki. I k. Karahasan mou einai proswpika sympathestati, kai ti lypamai pragmatika pou afethike na ti hrisimopoiisei o arhigos tou PASOK gia tous dikous tou multi-culti logous. Giati an pragmatika ithele o Papandreou na dei mia ekproswpo tis meionotitas na eklegetai stin ypernomarhia, tha tin proteine ston Evro-Rodopi, opou i meionotita apotelei to 30% tou plithysmou, kai ohi stin Xanthi-Drama-Kavala opou apotelei to 8%. Kanena sholio gia to pw's o Giwrgos Papandreou eftelizei mia kath;ola axia gynaika sprwhnontas tin san provato sti sfagi? Ohi, o,ti kanei o GAP einai kalo.

Telos pantwn... epeidi polla lew... i souma olwn twn parapanw einai oti apo ti mia to athinaiko kratos engataleipei ton kosmo kai tis periohes tis Voreias Elladas kai meta erhetai kai kanei apoikiokratikes askiseis epi hartou panw mas.

> Oi ektimiseis kapoion lene oti i > apihisi tou Karatzaferi tha > aggixei to 20% sti Thessaloniki -> ki an den to kataferei tha einai > giati oi en dynamei psifoforoi > tou “kalyptontai” apo to yparxon > didymo kai pleiada allon > politikon, pou “diagkonizontai” > sto poios tha kerdisei tin > evnoia tou “xristeponymou” kai > ypersintiritikou koinou.

A, wraia.
An eklexoume ton Karatzaferi me 20% tha eimaste katakriteoi.
An DEN ton eklexoume, PALI tha eimaste katakriteoi.

Wraia logiki!
Fasistiki, grammiki, aplousteftiki, apoikiokratiki...

Pera apo afto, pes mou se poio galop eides 20% gia ton Karatzaferi? Egw vlepw maximum ena 8-9% kai pollous Thessalonikeis pou einai poly enohlimenoi pou enas anthrwpos pou xerei tin poli mono apo tous hartes thelei na ginei dimarhos tis.

Giati den stekesai sto oti o Papagewrgopoulos tou 55% ehei pesei sto 35-40% enw i Arapoglou angomaha sto 20-25% kai palevei gia ti defteri thesi me enan ANEXARTITO syndyasmo pou ehei polles axiwseis gia afti?

Pw's sholiazeis oti oi ekproswpoi tou dikommatismou (tis megalis aftis mastigas tis Elladas) sti Thessaloniki palevoun gia ena pososto tis taxis tou 60-65%, enw stin ypoloipi hwra kolymboun se makaria pososta tis taxis tou 75-80%? Afto den leei kati gia to poso alliws psifizoun oi Thessalonikeis? Den leei oti gia akomi mia fora oi Thessalonikeis kanoun mia protasi se oli ti hwra deihnontas ton dromo tis apodesmefsis apo ton opoio Giwrika kai ton opoio Kwstika?

(Na loipon, pou isws i eklogiki symperifora twn Thessalonikewn na dikaiwnei tin paradosi pou mas thelei rixikelefthous kai prwtoporous. Giati, opws eipe kai enas sofos, i prwtoporia stin arhi pianetai gia vlasfimia).

Pw's sholiazeis to gegonos oti anexartites ypopsifiotites yparhoun mono se mikra meri, kai oti pote' anexartiti ypopsifiotita den stathike se megali elliniki poli me axiwseis, opws twra sti Thessaloniki?

Pw's sholiazeis oti to episimo PASOK, melos tou opoiou einai o Boutaris, apeilei ki afton kai olous tous PASOKous tous synaspismou tou me diagrafi an den entahthoun ston syndyasmo tis Hrysas? Einai afto dimokratia kai sevasmos tis voulisis twn topikwn koinwniwn?

Gia ton Skandalidi pou saliarize me ton Hristodoulo, oute lexi etsi?
Mono edw ehoume "hristepwnymo" plithos... les kai den vouliaxe KAI i Athina apo to syllalitirio gia tis taftotites...

Oso gia to ypersyntiritiko, pali katafevgeis sta gnwsta klise, ki as ehw vgalei kalous sta dahtyla na exigw se afto to blog oti den einai etsi ta pragmata...

> Giati to megalytero lathos tou > sxoliou sou - kata tin tapeini > mou gnomi - einai oti > katafevgeis sti “symplegatiki > sygkrisi” me tin Athina - les > kai diagonizomaste poios tha > vgei protos.

Ohi.
Kanw ti syngrisi me tin Athina epeidi i epithesi einai i kalyteri amyna. Den tha vreis se mena ton ypotagmeno, pathitiko Thessalonikio pou tha symfwnei mazi sou mono kai mono epeidi eheis katangeltiko logo gia ti Thessaloniki.

Kanw ti syngrisi epeidi i Athina vlepei to skoupidaki sto mati tis Thessalonikis kai paravlepei to palouki mesa sto diko tis mati.

Alla me exairesi tin istoria me to panellinio rekor tou 14% tou Karatzaferi stin Athina/ Attiki, den asholithikes katholou na mou apantiseis ta osa sholiasa gia tin tragiki, tritokosmiki katastasi tis athinaikis koinwnias, pou fainetai, osa heria olympiakou loustrou ki an tin perasei kaneis.

> Aftos o “opadikos topikismos” > pou ekfrazeis isos einai kai i > riza ton fainomenon pou > perigrafo.

Makari na ypirhe pio entonos edw, makari na ypirhe kai stin ypoloipi Ellada, prin i ypoloipi Ellada pethanei, afinontas kathe ihnos ikmadas tis pros ofelos tis Athinas. Makari i Patra, o Volos, i Ermoupoli, i Ipeiros, na eihan ligo apo to pnevma topikismou pou toso se enohlei.

As xanagyrisoume stin Kypro. Fantasou pw's tha itan i Kypros an itan enwmeni me tin Ellada... oute pou thelw na to skeftomai... Kati san tin Peloponniso... rimagmeni kai kollimeni ston proigoumeno aiwna.

> Poios sou eipe oti den > theoro “apogoiteftika” ta > politika-aisthitika > xaraktiristika kai tis Athinas > kai tis Elladas genikotera?

Nai, alla ki esy kai polloi akomi me tis idies idees paizete monoterma ti Thessaloniki, les kai i Thessaloniki den apotelei meros aftis tis hwras kai i koinwnia tis den plathetai apo tis idies synthikes. Den se ehw akousei pote na katakrineis ena fainomeno pou parousiazetai stin Athina ws athinaiko, as poume.

> Xereis pos apantas stin > epixeirimatologia mou? Proton, > me to na diateinese oti den > eprepe na mou dosoun “vima” > (oraia dimokratiki apopsi)

Den eipa oti den eprepe, alla eipa oti to SOUL epelexe na dwsei vima se sena hwris na dwsei vima se kapoion pou den vlepei ti Thessaloniki mesa apo ta gyalia twn klise tou.

> kai defteron, san na erxotan > enas Gallos na mou kanei kritiki > gia tin elliniki kyvernissi ki > ego na tou apantousa “ma ki > eseis xalia eisaste - emeis > eimaste kalyteroi”...

Pou einai akrivws o logos gia ton opoio enas Gallos pote den tha egrafe me aplousteftiko kai isopedwtiko tropo gia tin politiki katastasi stin Ellada. Giati den skeftetai opws skeftetai i athinaiki dianoisi kai oi Thessalonikeis parakoimwmenoi tis.

> Fovamai oti dysfimitai “moni > tis” - me ta eklogika tis > apotelesmata, ennoo...

An deis ta apotelesmata twn evrweklogwn gia tin Thessaloniki kai ta meletiseis prosektika hwris na estiazeis tin prosohi sou ston Karatzaferi tha katalaveis oti oi Thessalonikeis edwsan psifo diamartyrias.

Me ti diki sou logiki, to gegonos oti to KKE pou evgale 11,35% stis Evrwekloges sti Thessaloniki (se antithesi me to 7,68% tou LAOS) simainei oti siga-siga i poli mou metatrepetai se laiki dimokratia kai oti einai zitima minwn na doume ton andrianta tou Stalin stin Plateia Aristotelous.

Vlepeis poso aploika kai monosimanta skeftesai?

> Esy loipon, pou eisai > toso “opados” tis Thessalonikis, > ti kaneis gia na min exei tetoia > eklogiki “symperifora” kai > tetoious ekprosopous i poli sou?

Den tha pw egw stous anthrwpous ti kai pw's tha psifisoun. Kai na psifisoun ti? To PASOK pou epi 20 hronia handakwne ti Thessaloniki? 'I ti ND pou episis paramelei ti Thessaloniki. Skeftikes pote' oti borei ta ypsila pososta tis ND sti Thessaloniki na antikatoptrizan ti dysareskeia twn politwn apenanti stin engataleipsi ek merous tou PASOK? Alla ohi, eipame, "sti Thessaloniki zoun thriskoliptoi ethnikistes kai akrodexioi". Pame xana! "sti Thessaloniki zoun thriskoliptoi ethnikistes kai akrodexioi". Akomi mia fora: "sti Thessaloniki zoun thriskoliptoi ethnikistes kai akrodexioi". Peite to alles 800 fores mehri na to empedwsete oloi sas.

Antistrefw to erwtima.
ESY ti kaneis gia na anastrepseis to klima stin Athina? Me ta getto twn metanastwn kai to koinwniko apartheid pou milaei gia "akri tis polis" kai "pera apo to potami" les kai o Kifisos einai o Dounavis?
ESY ti kaneis gia na min psifizoun oi toso "cool" Athinaioi tous idious politikous apo ta idia tzakia pou ehoun dialysei tin hwra?

Profanws tipota.
Grafeis sto blog sou kai stin Athens Voice. Apo kei kai pera, pame alli mia fora to mantra pou perigrafei ola ta deina tis synhronis Elladas:"sti Thessaloniki zoun thriskoliptoi ethnikistes kai akrodexioi".

Den ehw kammia diathesi antekdikisis mazi sou. Alla sou proteinw na xanadiavaseis ta osa sou egrapsa me diaforetiko mati kai na min eisai toso monodiastatos stis ermineies pou dineis gia to koinwniko gignesthai sti Thessaloniki.

2:30 PM

 
Blogger Prokopis Doukas said...

Agapite Stergie,

Apanto synoptika, giati se ligo tha kataliksoume na grafoume pragmatika dokimia... :-)
Vevaios kai na dehto ola osa anafereis gia tin egkataleipsi-ekmetalefsi tis Thessalonikis apo tin ydrokefali Ellada-Athina - an kai den mporo tora na mpo se istorikes anadromes kai se pragmata pou pithanos den gnorizo...
FYSIKA kai den genikevo oti OLOI oi Thessalonikeis einai etsi i allios - pouthena den epitrepetai tetoia “syllogiki efthini” - den “prosexes” sto arthro mou ola ta thetika haraktiristika pou paratheto.... Eleos! Ena kommati gia ton “politiko harti” tis Thessalonikis egrapsa - kai se afto den einai “ypohreotiko” na anafertheis kai stin ypoloipi Ellada i na kaneis sygkriseis (diladi eprepe na anafertho kai p.x. sti Mani, pou paradosiaka einai “vassilohountiki”?)
VEVAIOS kai mou prokaloun exisou apossi ola ta fainomena “gleipsimatos” tis ekklissias gia tis psifous, opou ki an ginontai (kai ta eho katakrinei deontos, se diavevaio). Gia tin Aristera (kai eidika tin legomeni “paradossiaki”), i kritiki mou einai sfodrotati se pliroforo - i analyssi tis “psifou diamartyrias” pantos stin Ellada einai polyploki ypothessi. Ti na pei kaneis, otan vlepei se dimoskopisseis oti mporei to 20% tou ellinikou laou na ypostirizei ena horo, pou ekfrazetai apo ti 17 Noemvri (as min anoixoume omos kai afti ti syzitissi...) Oso gia tous Olympiakous agones, eho poly diaforetiki apopsi apo tin kratoussa, giati m‘ enohlei sfodra afto to paihnidi ntopas kai ladomatos, anti gia poly-politismiki giorti, pou tha eprepe na einai. Epissis den theoro ton eafto mou Athinaio i Ellina, perissotero apo Evropaio politi i kalytera anthropo tou kosmou...

Pame stin ousia, pou gia mena ehei kai psyhologikes parametrous. Den theoro to “pathos” kai tin epithetikotita pou diepei kai to keimeno sou thetiki - ti na kanoume, ehoume alli prossegissi. Den theoro tin “psifo diamartyrias” thetiki, opos tin perigrafeis. Diladi einai thetika gia sena ta pososta Karatzaferi kai KKE (den tous exomoiono) - se mia psifo antidrassis, opou ta akra synantontai? Afti tin psifo antidrassis, ego ti theoro “antidrastiki” (me tin politiki ennoia) kai pistevo oti den odigei para stin “kathysterissi”. Mipos einai “ypefthino” kai to idio to eklogiko soma tis Thessalonikis ( os politiki ontotita - opos einai kai tis Elladas gia paromoia pragmata) gia tin opisthodromissi pou perigrafeis - kai oxi panta “oi alloi ekei kato”?
An me rotas, i Thessaloniki tha eprepe na ekmetalleftei tis dynatotites pou dinei i Evropaiki Enossi me ta diafora perifereiaka programmata kai na anaptyhtei polyplevra. Na fygei apo tis “zoses mnimes” pou perigrafeis kai na syneiditopoissei oti vrisketai ston 21o aiona. Afto itan kai to noima tou arthrou mou - na provalei ta thetika tis kai ohi ta arnitika tis. Oloi eimaste ypefthinoi gia ti moira mas - kai oi koinonies (mono pou afto proypothetei gnossi, paideia, prospatheia gia aftoveltiossi). An tin empodizei to “athinaiko kratos”, na provalei kai na eklexei tous ekprossopous tis, etsi oste dimiourgika na antitahthoun kai na “prohorissoun” tin poli kai to nomo. To erotima paramenei: Me afti tin “psifo antidrassis” pou perigrafeis kai aftous tous ekprossopous, pisteveis oti mporei?
To idio tha po kai synolika gia tin Ellada, pou ta teleftaia hronia - kata tin tapeini mou apopsi - vionei pliros tin “koilia tis istorias” ki ehei olo kai ligotero sovarous ekprossopous ki oloena kai perissotero ena politiko systima anaxiopisto kai epikindyno...

P.S. Oso gia tin Athens Voice, den nomizo oti tha vreis pio antiratsistiki efimerida sti hora. Oso gia mena prosopika, den dialexa tyhaia ti douleia mou kai theoro oti to meridio mou gia ti dimossia syzitissi to syneisfero...

P.S. Giati na anghotho gia opoiadipote protassi vre Stergie? Oute ehasa kanena oikopedo oute i sizitissi den einai gia na “paravgoume”...

4:55 AM

 
Blogger stergios said...

Agapite Prokopi.

Egrapses:

"An me rotas, i Thessaloniki tha eprepe na ekmetalleftei tis dynatotites pou dinei i Evropaiki Enossi me ta diafora perifereiaka programmata kai na anaptyhtei polyplevra", kai...

"An tin empodizei to “athinaiko kratos”, na provalei kai na eklexei tous ekprossopous tis, etsi oste dimiourgika na antitahthoun kai na “prohorissoun” tin poli kai to nomo".

Opws episis kai...

"To erotima paramenei: Me afti tin “psifo antidrassis” pou perigrafeis kai aftous tous ekprossopous, pisteveis oti mporei?"

Eheis apolyto dikio!

I MONI lysi gia na boresei i Thessaloniki na vrei ton dromo tis ston 21o aiwna einai mesa apo mia politiki exwstrefeias pros tin Evrwpaiki Enwsi kai ton kosmo, mia politiki axiopoiisis twn evrwpaikwn programmatwn.

To athinaiko katestimeno kanei o,ti borei prokeimenou na min hasei ton elenho oute enos evrw apo ta hrimata pou eisreoun stin hwra. Gia na ftiaxei o o'poios Papagewrgopoulos ena parko sti Nea Paralia hreiazetai adeia apo 40 athinaika ypourgeia. Opote katalavaineis ti hreiazetai prokeimenou na ftiahtoun dromoi pou tha mas enwnoun me ta Valkania kai periohes epiheirimatikis kainotomias, klp. Katalavaineis gia ti apolytarhiko elenho milame.

Sto athinaiko katestimeno entassontai KAI oi politikoi tis Thessalonikis pou "paizoun" me tous orous tou. Se rwtw, tha borouse enas vouleftis tis Thessalonikis na psifize OXI sti nea megali idea twn Olympiakwn tis Athinas?

Kai prin mou peis "ma tous ithele o kosmos", xere pws otan o Samaranch edwse tous Olympiakous stin Athina, sti Thessaloniki moudiasame oloi epeidi xerame ti tha akolouthouse (opws kai akolouthise). Edw den eihame oute tymbanokrousies, oute thriamveftika kornarismata.

Opoios Thessalonikios vouleftis tolmouse na enantiwthei sta kelevsmata tou arhigou, tha diagrafotan amesws, edw diagrafontai alloi gia poly mikrotera ptaismata.

ARA, i provoli twn dopiwn politikwn pou tha anastrepsoun to klima DEN borei na ginei mesw twn kommatwn tou athinaikou katestimenou.

O monos tropos gia na anadeihtei enas polos diekdikisis twn symferontwn mas apo tin athinaiki diktatoria einai i dimiourgia mias anexartitis politikis kinisis pou skopo tis tha ehei tin AFTONOMISI tis Thessalonikis se perifereiako epipedo apo to eniaio kratos etsi wste na boresei mia dopia, thessalonikiwtiki politiki domi na apaitisei kai na diekdikisei kai na shediasei osa prepei, parakamptontas ta daidalwdi ypourgeia tis Athinas.

Asheta apo ti gnwmi pou eheis gia ton Boutari, to gegonos oti htypietai gia ti defteri thesi den sou leei tipota? To gegonos oti htypaei 20% hwris tin ypostirixi kanenos kommatos den sou leei tipota? Se poia alli apo tis 10-15 megalyteres ellinikes poleis yparhei afto to fainomeno?

O Boutaris aplws prospathei se topiko epipedo kai des ti anileis polemos tou ginetai apo to PASOK epeidi o Boutaris einai melos tou kommatos aftou!

Se ethniko epipedo ta pragmata einai poly pio dyskola. Se ethniko epipedo, mia psifos diamartyrias filodoxei na perasei ena minyma sto kentro lipsis apofasewn, oti sti Thessaloniki yparhei DYSARESKEIA!

I psifos diamartyrias syhna den einai efharisti, kai syhna borei na erminefthei ws "antidrastiki".
Gia na katalavei i Athina oti i Thessaloniki apaitei, prepei na htypisoume to heri sto trapezi, den prepei? Htypwntas to trapezi, borei na pesei kai na spasei kana vazo. Etsi ginontai afta, ti na kanoume?

I psifos diamartyrias ekfrazei ti grinia, ti diamartyria... o perissoteros kosmos sti Thessaloniki einai apivdismenos me tin yparhousa katastasi, alla den borei akoma na fantastei to mellon tou ws aftonomis evrwpaikis perifereias. Einai dyskolo gia ton Thessalonikio na syneiditopoiisei, na niwsei sto petsi tou oti i Athina einai EHTHROS tou, stin ousia, oti ton yponomevei kai afton kai to mellon twn paidiwn tou. Einai poly dyskolo na paradehteis oti o omaimos aderfos sou borei na thelei to kako sou.

Vevaia, gia na antistrepsw pali ton syllogismo sou, poia psifos den tha thewrountan kat'ese antidrastiki? Giati an ta "akra" einai antidrastika kai i thessalonikiwtiki ND einai metamfiesmeni akrodexia, stin ousia les oti opoios den psifizei PASOK einai antidrastikos!!!

Pantws, se teliki analysi, to teleftaio pou hreiazetai i Thessaloniki einai na tis kotsaroun haraktirismous kai na tis kounane to dahtylo oi Athinaioi, oi opoioi den boroun na katalavoun tin polyplokotita kai tis dyskolies tis zwis ektos Athinas.

Giati otan les "ma giati den anadeiknyete tous dikous sas politikous", to kaneis me tin idia efkolia pou i Maria Antouaneta aporouse "ma giati den trwne pandespani" otan oi Parizianoi diamartyrontan oti den ehoun pswmi na fane.

Filika,
Stergios.

9:58 AM

 
Blogger Prokopis Doukas said...

A, geia sou...

Eides pou ftasame se mia sygklisi (ti evgeniki prosfora dialogou pou parexei to soul)?

O Boutaris mou fainetai poly ygiis periptossi - den ton xero ton anthropo kai den xero perissotera. Mporei loipon i Thessaloniki na anadeixei anthropous tetoious - kai ektos kommatikon shimatismon...
Den tha ginei isos amesos, alla tha ginei.

Proypothessi omos einai na antilifthei i platia pleiopsifia aftis tis koinonias (pou anadeiknyei mehri tora pollous ekprossopous tou laikismou, tis xenofovias kai tis gkrinias) oti prepei na allaxei rota... Idi to akoussa os aitima edo kai kairo apo politikous paragontes tis polis, oti "den mporei pia i poli na ehei afti tin eikona kai ekprossopissi"...

Prossopika pistevo oti aftou tou eidous oi ekprossopoi einai heiroteroi "ehtroi" tis polis sou apo tous ypoloipous (poso mallon tous Athinaious). Dioti pote den kerdizeis kai den "prohoras", me to na kolakeveis ta "hamila enstikta", na dehessai ton laikismo, na eisai to paidaki pou krataei moutra sti gonia (san ton Ovelix pou krataei tin anapnoi tou)...

Giati loipon na antidra "yperpatriotika" kaneis otan kapoios allos epissimainei afti tin eikona kai afton ton kindyno? Diladi tha mou epekrines esy politikous i thriskeftikous igetes stin Athina kai tha sou elega ego oxi? "Geia sto stoma sou" tha elega...

To thema einai (pantou stin Ellada, stin Evropi, ston kosmo) na apofygoume to "avgo tou fidiou" agapite Stergie... Afto pou eite aprokalypta, eite sygkalimena (me to issopedotiko "oloi oi politikoi einai idioi kai dieftharmenoi"- etsi lene panta prin apo tous Hitler kai tis hountes) vythizei tous anthropous stin apaxiossi tis dimokratias, ton dikaiomaton kai ton eleftherion...
Na apofygoume aftous pou poulane "patriotismo" kai extremismo, gia na dikaiologissoun tin yparxi tous stin agora - kai sintiroun ti fotia tis sygkroussis politismon, thriskeion kai fylon se oles tis esties antiparathessis (ethnikes kai mi) ston planiti...

Na xefygoume apo tin katrakyla tis "tileoptikis dimokratias", pou aresketai na anadeiknyei opoion kanei karagkiozilikia stin kamera... (Nomizeis oti an mou epekrines afta ta "athinaika", tha antidroussa arnitika?) "Geia sto stoma sou", tha elega... :-)

Opoios den einai laikodexios, akrodexios i "apolithomenos" kommounistis den simainei oti einai ypohreotika PASOK, agapite Stergie... Yparhoun axiologotates apopseis kai proodeftikoi anthropoi, se olo to fasma apo ti legomeni "kentrodexia" os tin aristera... Dystyhos omos o kynismos kai i (dikaiologimeni se polles periptoseis) arnissi diohnei tous axiologous anthropous apo tin politiki...

Esy pires patriotika tin kritiki mou, les kai mporouse na "taftisteis" me aftous pou epikrino...

Ftanei, polla eipame - kai den xero an endiaferoun kai kanenan...
Agonistikous hairetismous sti Thessaloniki, me efhes gia proodeftikotero mellon!

P.S. Prossopiko dedomeno: Den anika pote se kanena komma i omada... Arnoumai na ypostirixo epissis kai opoiadipote athlitiki omada, giati arnoumai tin opoia "opadopoiissi"...

10:56 AM

 
Blogger stergios said...

Agapite Prokopi.

Den tha makrygorisw.

Ola wraia kai kala osa egrapses, alla anakefalaiwnontas ta osa egrapsa se afto to blog, ws epilogo, ehw na pw to exis:

O kathenas borei kai ehei dikaiwma na askei osi kritiki thelei se o,ti ton apasholei kai ton enohlei.

Afto pou einai APARADEKTO, omws, einai na bainei mia olokliri poli san ti Thessaloniki se ena tsouvali, kai na eteroprosdiorizetai me klise' pou paragnwrizoun oti i Thessaloniki einai mia zwntani, dynamiki poli me polla revmata kai polles synistwses, kai me haraktirismous pou den perigrafoun tin psyhi, tous provlimatismous kai tin alitheia tis polis.

To na milaei kaneis gia enan olokliro lao me aforismous kai adikes genikefseis einai idion tis apoikiokratias kai en genei, mias apoikiokratikis logikis, i opoia haraktirizei tin elite tis Athinas.

Se aftin tin adikia antitithemai, aftin antipalevw, kai na xereis oti oso yparhoun stin Athina fwnes pou anaferontai isopedwtika ypotimitika 'i yvristika, ohi se ena gegonos pou symvainei sti Thessaloniki, alla sti Thessaloniki san monada, den tha stamatisw na grafw me oxytita kai pathos prokeimenou na katadeixw oti, se teliki analysi, o Athinaios vasilias einai gymnos!

12:08 PM

 
Blogger stergios said...

Agapitoi gap lab kai Prokopi:

Den eiha skopo na epanerthw sto gnwsto thema syzitisis, alla pragmatika, den kratiemai!

Thelw na sas ferw ena akomi paradeigma tou poso adika kai isopedwtika einai ta klise pou ehei kotsarei i athinaiki medio-kratia sti Thessaloniki.

Klise pou akrita epanalamvanei kathe anthrwpos, Athinaios 'i Thessalonikios, pou den hrisimopoiei ton engefalo tou gia na skeftetai, alla aplws, gia na anaparagagei afta pou tou lene.

To LAOS, loipon, to komma tou diavoitou k. Karatzaferi, ypostirizei gia ti dimarhia Athinwn ton axiotimo k. Nikita Kaklamani! O k. Kaklamanis ehei symperilavei sto psifodeltio tou kai stelehi tou LAOS.

Akouse kaneis tipota apo ta MME gia aftin tin exelixi? Vgikan oi diaforoi dimosiografoi kai stohastes pou kata kairous katakeravnwnoun ti Thessaloniki ws "ethnikistiki, akrodexia kai fasistiki" na kanoun to idio kai gia tin Athina? Vgike kaneis na stilitefsei tin apodohi tis ypostirixis tou LAOS apo ton k. Kaklamani?

Giati, se antithesi me ti Thessaloniki opou o ypopsifios dimarhos tou LAOS DEN tha eklegei, o epomenos dimarhos tis Athinas tha ehei eklegei me tis evlogies tou k. Karatzaferi!

Episis, diavasa stin efimerida oti kentriko simeio kai desmefsi tis atzentas tou eterou ypopsifiou dimarhou, tou k. Skandalidi, einai i anegersi tou neou mitropolitikou naou tis Athinas (katopin symfwnias me ton k. Hristodoulo, vevaiws vevaiws) para tis gnwstes enstaseis apo tin poleodomia kai tous oikologous.

Ena sas lew:
Fantasteite ti tha esournan ta athinaika MME sti Thessaloniki, kai ti tha espevdan na anaparagagoun diaforoi pou afinoun ta MME na skeftontai gi'aftous, an:

1) To LAOS ypostirize tin ypopsifiotita Papagewrgopoulou gia ti dimarhia Thessalonikis, kai
2) Kentriki proeklogiki yposhesi tis k. Arapoglou itan i anegersi neou mitropolitikou naou stous propodes tou kammenou Seih Sou.

Skefteite to, kai apantiste mou.

To thema mou den einai i synkrisi metaxy Athinas kai Thessalonikis, alla ta dyo metra kai dyo stathma me ta opoia antimetwpizei i Athina (me to idiaitera terastio varos tis) ton eafto tis kai ti Thessaloniki.

Gi' afta fwnazw.

11:08 AM

 
Blogger dendra said...

geia sou Stergio,

poly kala ta les, an s' endiaferoun ta dendra des diagonismo fotografias pou yparxei sto www.documenda.gr

kali synexeia,

christos

dendra@documenda.gr

3:50 AM

 
Blogger dendra said...

Stergio kati akomi,

yparxei to www.docfestfriends.gr site pou skopo tou exei tin aytonomisi tou Thessaloniki Documentary Festival.

kai opoios den niazetai skontaftei,

na' sai kala,

Christos

dendra@documenda.gr

3:57 AM

 
Blogger stergios said...

Oli i Ellada giortase tin katataxi tis Ethnikis mas Omadas basket sti defteri thesi pangosmiws.

Stin agria kai mizeri Athina, omws, sti moni poli stin Ellada opou oi metanastes zoun se hwristes geitonies, o ohlos para ligo na lyntsarei dyo... Palaistinious, mono kai mono epeidi den edeixan ton idio zilo stous panigyrismous me tous "katharoaimous" Ellines.

Alla ti na perimenei kaneis apo mia poli tis opoias o pithanos epomenos dimarhos (Kaklamanis) hreiazetai to dekaniki tis akrodexias gia na eklegei?

11:35 AM

 
Blogger stergios said...

Eida simera sta prwtoselida twn athinaikwn efimeridwn ton ypourgo politismou k. Voulgaraki na krata me eidwlolatriko sevasmo mia amorfi kotrwna. Diavazontas to keimeno tou arthrou diapistwsa oti i kotrwna einai "thravsma" kai "kterisma" pou kapoioi kakoi Germanoi apespasan viaiws apo ena glypto tou Parthenwna, gia na to epistrepsoun stous Ellines meta apo xerw kai gw posa hronia.

Kali kai agia i prospatheia tis epanenwsis twn glyptwn tou Parthenwna, alla ti diaforetiko ekane o Elgin se pangosmia klimaka apo o,ti ekane i Athina se panellinia klimaka?

An exairesei kaneis to mouseio tis Akropolis, o,ti allo ektithetai stin Athina simera einai KLEMMENO! Apo tin xylini ependysi tou kalou oda enos makedonikou arhontikou pou ektithetai sto mouseio Benaki kai ton "jockey tou Artemisiou" tis Evvoias sto arhaiologiko mouseio, mehri ta kykladika eidwlia tis "idiwtikis syllogis Goulandri", i Athina symperiferthike apenanti stin ypoloipi Ellada akrivws opws o Elgin ston Parthenwna... me tropo skliro, alazoniko, apoikiokratiko.
Edw, sto vyzantino mouseio tis Athinas, ektithetai toihografia apsidas ierou apo ton Agio Gewrgio Lathrino sti Naxo! Oi atheofovoi Athinaioi den distasan na vevilwsoun istoriki ekklisia, apospwntas OLOKLIRI apsida apo afton!

Kai sas rwtw... giati afto pou kanei i Athina einai kalo, enw afto pou ekane o Elgin kako? Egw na symfwnisw na epistrafoun ta Elgineia, giati anikoun ston Parthenwna, alla eseis tha symfwnisete mazi mou oti prepei na adeiasoun ta mouseia tis Athinas kai na epistrafoun ta klopimaia tous stous topous katagwgis tous?

Den zoume pia sto 1800, i Naxos, o Mystras, i Ermoupoli, i Evvoia, boroun na stisoun kai na syntirisoun yperoha kai asfalestata mouseia.
Akrivws opws kai to neo mouseio tis Akropolis den tha ehei tipota na zilepsei apo to British Museum.

Kai enw i Athina sysswrevei klepsimeika, i Thessaloniki ehei tria axioprepestata mouseia, ena arhaiologiko, ena palaiohristianiko kai ena vyzantino, me evrimata tis polis kai tis amesis periohis tis kai ena evraiko pou parousiazei ton politismiko plouto tis evraikis koinotitas tis polis mas. I Thessaloniki ehei episis to Makedoniko Mouseio Synhronis Tehnis tou opoiou oi sylloges apoktithikan hari se dwrees idiwtwn. An den itan to MMST kai to MST tis Flwrinas, i Ellada tha eihe ti thliveri prwtia na min ehei mouseio synhronis tehnis se oli tin Evrwpi. I Athina akomi perimenei, me to heri aplwmeno, gia kammia -ws synithws- gennaia kratiki epidotisi!

Fysika, den tha perimene pote kaneis apo ena periodiko san to SOUL na anadeixei to poso poly doulevoun kai ta posa ehoun kataferei oi anthrwpoi tis tehnis tis Thessalonikis, syhna hwris oikonomika mesa, kai akomi syhnotera, me polles triklopodies apo to athinokentriko kratos.

Opws to Mouseio Design tou S. Deliali, gia to opoio to ypourgeio politismou ypotithetai oti eihe desmefsei enan hwro sto limani idi apo to 1997, mono kai mono gia na paei meta to idio to ypourgeio kai na strangalisei to mouseio, idryontas ston hwro afto mia geloia karikatoura mouseiou kinimatografou (= mia aithousa me 20 gigantoafises tis Melinas kai 5 palies kameres)!

10:27 AM

 
Blogger Serotonin said...

off topic!

Ayto me to Mouseio Design Thesalonikhs einai ontws kati poly asxhmo, dioti h syllogh tou k. Delialh einai poly aksiologh kai o idios einai enas anthrwpos pou pragmatika agapaei to design kai tha mporouse na kanei polla gi ayto sth xwra mas. Mia tetoia prospatheia mono edw tha mporouse na parameristei m ayton ton tropo, afhnontas to astego tosa xronia.
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